Lynn Chu

The point that Russia had some right to feel insecure stripped entirely of its former satellites, is a talking point that might have been respected prior to its invasion of Georgia and Ukraine and taken into account in discussions such as trade and security negotiations. But not after. Particularly not after Russia’s vicious, brutal slaughter and torture and rape of both combatants engaged in defense of their nation and civilians.

Tim replies:

It's hardly that cut and dried. The Russians have for decades for decades faced growing Western encroachment. NATO in the former Warsaw Pact, then NATO moving into former Soviet republics themselves. It's as if the Soviets had moved into Mexico and were threatening to bring Texas into the Warsaw Pact. How would we have reacted?

The Ukrainian government was put in power by the CIA, I might add, in the Orange Revolution. (They are talking about having a "color revolution" to remove the Hungarian government now.)

The U.S. had a bunch of biological labs to destroy the old Soviet biological arsenal, and they are STILL running despite those weapons being long gone. Why do you suppose that is? To the Russians it probably means we are building weapons there. They saw what happened in the Wuhan lab.

And the Ukrainians had threatened to cut off the Russian oil and gas piipelines. And the Ukrainians were regularly shelling the Crimeaa, killing lots of innocent people. And the Ukreainians built a dam on the Dneiper and cut all the water off to Crimea, causing a major drought. Russia complained to the U.N. repeatedly to no avail.

Meanwhile the U.S. was deploying ABM systems in Poland and the Czech Republic and preparing to do so in Hungary and would no doubt be doing so in Ukraine when they had the opportunity. To the Russian People we were the aggressors.

Lynn, couldnt the exact same arguments you have made be applied to the U.S. and it's many invasions around the globe? We invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, helped in war in Syria and in Libya. In times past we invaded Panama, Grenada, and assisted in Honduras and in Nicaragua. We sent an invasion force to Cuba. We invaded Europe. We invaded Spanish-held territories in Cuba and the Phillipines. We invaded Canada, Mexico, and our own southern states. If invading a country is automatic grounds for losing all moral high ground then the U.S. is the biggest POS in the world. I don't agree with that statement.

Given the propaganda ongoing (and look at how much of it is coming from the mainstream media, known liars, who want this war) I take every claim of Russian atrocity with a grain of salt. And I also notice the Ukrainians are not lilly white in terms of hurting innocent civilians.

The fact is we have no national intersts involved here. And we have no plan - no definition of victory, no exit strategy, etc. What we have is a blank check and a promise we are going to "win" a war we are not technically fighting.

I predicted Biden would get us into a war before the midterm elections and was right, only this war does not involve direct military action. Just huge sums of money and endless logistical and intelligence aid. And armed Reaper drones spying on Russian positiions.

All one must do is look at who supports this to realize there may be something wrong here.

The Russians aren't good guys, and I would like to see Putin go. He is only there because George Soros crashed the Russian economy, after a decade of Western carpetbagging and efforts to make Russia a kind of colony. They were mad about it and still hold a grudge at how we treated them.

Sun Tzu said you must leave an enemy a "golden bridge for retreating on" lest they fight to the death. But what is Biden and the West doing? They are giving no face-saving way out. They thinkt his will cause regime change, but what it will do is lead to the deaths of untold numbers as Putin cannot afford to lose this. He will do what it takes. If tactical nukes are required, so be it.

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