June 05, 2021
Rights and Duties
Timothy Birdnow
People just don't reason logically anymore.
I joined a discussion on Facebook about the idea of putting cameras in public school classrooms. A fellow named Tim objected:
Carolyn replied:
Facebook Tim responded:
I had to set him straight:
People just don't reason logically anymore.
I joined a discussion on Facebook about the idea of putting cameras in public school classrooms. A fellow named Tim objected:
If we properly understand rights not as entitlements but rather
the state of being free from the initiation of force to pursue what's
necessary for life, property, and happiness, then we should also
understand that rights are not at the expense of others' pursuits of
life, property, and happiness lest one creates double-standard
So yes, webcams are means to life, property, and happiness, but *forcing* it is an initiation of force. In proper regards to law enforcement and classrooms, one votes at the poll and with their dollar respectively. There is no initiation of force then because law enforcement members and teachers join voluntarily.
So yes, webcams are means to life, property, and happiness, but *forcing* it is an initiation of force. In proper regards to law enforcement and classrooms, one votes at the poll and with their dollar respectively. There is no initiation of force then because law enforcement members and teachers join voluntarily.
Carolyn replied:
That assumes that all citizens are equally informed about what is
occurring in their local communities. The schools have been able to
replace education with indoctrination because most parents have assumed
what was going on was benign, when it wasn't.
Facebook Tim responded:
So because we know different things, qualitatively and quantitatively,
You forget Tim Jung that these are OUR employees, and as such have
neither a right to expect privacy on the job nor expect to be free from
direction by their employer. This is no more "force" than requiring a
lawyer to wear a suit to court or a cop a body cam. These are not
private individuals being compelled to do something against their will;
these are public employees being asked to accept basic supervision.
I've had jobs in the past where I have been monitored by the boss; it's
pretty standard in a lot of industries. It is not force or compulsion;
I chose to work there, after all. If you are not willing to accept the
requirements of employment you don't take the job.And, as this
particular employment is dealing with a precious commodity and a great
deal of trust is being given to the teacher, there is every reason to
expect someone to look over their shoulders.
I get it; we don't want our jobs to become all intrusive and violate our basic rights to privacy, but that doesn't mean we can't supervise what our employees are doing, especially with our children. Parents have the fundamental right to decide what is being taught to their kids, and that means they have a right to know what the teachers are doing in the classroom. Resisting that is prima facia evidence of wrongdoing, in my humble opinion. An honest person doesn't have something to hide where their work is concerned. It would be different if we were prying into something that did not involve their employment, like their private lives, but this is directly related to their work. If this is somehow a violation of their privacy, isn't it equally true that scholastic standards are an equal violation? Isn't a quota for a worker a violation? You are arguing for a kind of radical autonomy that cannot exist in the workplace.
I get it; we don't want our jobs to become all intrusive and violate our basic rights to privacy, but that doesn't mean we can't supervise what our employees are doing, especially with our children. Parents have the fundamental right to decide what is being taught to their kids, and that means they have a right to know what the teachers are doing in the classroom. Resisting that is prima facia evidence of wrongdoing, in my humble opinion. An honest person doesn't have something to hide where their work is concerned. It would be different if we were prying into something that did not involve their employment, like their private lives, but this is directly related to their work. If this is somehow a violation of their privacy, isn't it equally true that scholastic standards are an equal violation? Isn't a quota for a worker a violation? You are arguing for a kind of radical autonomy that cannot exist in the workplace.
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I had trouble following the discussion because I kept trying to wrap my head around the concept of the installation of cameras as an "initiation of force." I failed. The concept is still utterly inconceivable to me.
Posted by: Bill H at June 06, 2021 11:41 PM (/sW5m)
Posted by: Timothy Birdnow at June 07, 2021 06:41 AM (YkwA4)
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I went back and read what the guy was saying. This Facebook Tim strikes me as being like a schoolkid who comes home from school and says "We learned a new word today," and then proceeds to inject the new word into every conversation whether appropriately or not. I think he heard the term "initiation of force" somewhere and liked the sound of it.
Posted by: Dana Mathewson at June 07, 2021 10:19 AM (l1227)
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That's probably it Dana. It certainly wasn't pertinent to the conversation we were having.
Posted by: Timothy Birdnow at June 08, 2021 06:03 AM (UKTvW)
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