January 27, 2021
Provoking a Revolution
From across the pond, David Redfern tells America about how a third party can make a difference:
We had a third party in the UK, that wasn't a third party because it never actually threatened the two party impasse.
Nor am I talking of the Liberal Democrats who formed a coalition with the Conservative party to defeat the labour party (our Democratic party) in 2010. I'm talking of UKIP (United Kingdom Independence Party) like Trump, dismissed as homophobic, misogynistic, racist (of course), anti environmental, white supremacist; and anything else you care to negatively brand an opponent of the left with.
It was led (although not founded) by Nigel Farage, a man who had never held political office in the UK, but who was elected to the European parliament.
He fought for 20 years or so, from a position of a tiny minority, to have the UK withdraw from the EU, and such was the growing support for him, he forced the complacent Conservative party to call a referendum.
Complacency turned to tears when this articulate, personable, passionate underdog forced Brexit for Patriotic British voters against the establishment wishes.
Four years of every political campaign, legal challenge and underhand tactic employed by British and European politics, the MSM, and the defeated few who to this day refuse to accept Democracy, we are finally free of the EU.
As you might imagine, when Trump won in 2016, Nigel was one of the first people your new POTUS entertained.
America doesn't need a leader, it needs leaders. The Patriotic American people who simply refuse to roll over to the big state and political chicanery.
Nigel didn't lead a rebellion in the UK, he provoked one.
Donald Trump is your Nigel Farage.
Over to you America.
We had a third party in the UK, that wasn't a third party because it never actually threatened the two party impasse.
Nor am I talking of the Liberal Democrats who formed a coalition with the Conservative party to defeat the labour party (our Democratic party) in 2010. I'm talking of UKIP (United Kingdom Independence Party) like Trump, dismissed as homophobic, misogynistic, racist (of course), anti environmental, white supremacist; and anything else you care to negatively brand an opponent of the left with.
It was led (although not founded) by Nigel Farage, a man who had never held political office in the UK, but who was elected to the European parliament.
He fought for 20 years or so, from a position of a tiny minority, to have the UK withdraw from the EU, and such was the growing support for him, he forced the complacent Conservative party to call a referendum.
Complacency turned to tears when this articulate, personable, passionate underdog forced Brexit for Patriotic British voters against the establishment wishes.
Four years of every political campaign, legal challenge and underhand tactic employed by British and European politics, the MSM, and the defeated few who to this day refuse to accept Democracy, we are finally free of the EU.
As you might imagine, when Trump won in 2016, Nigel was one of the first people your new POTUS entertained.
America doesn't need a leader, it needs leaders. The Patriotic American people who simply refuse to roll over to the big state and political chicanery.
Nigel didn't lead a rebellion in the UK, he provoked one.
Donald Trump is your Nigel Farage.
Over to you America.
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Third party guarantees permanent Democrat control. Republican membership is already smaller than Democrat membership, and third party comes almost entirely from Republicans. So we have a nation that is 35% Democrat, 15% Republican, 15% Third Party, and 100% loser.
Posted by: Bill H at January 27, 2021 05:57 PM (vMiSr)
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Bill, I think that is a simplistic analysis of the situation. First, there are a lot of disaffected people who don't vote Republican. I know a lot of people who are in that category. These are people who probably would show up for a third party if they thought their votes would matter. Second, there are a lot of the old union Democrats who are disgusted with the Democrat party and would vote for a third party if it did not have the R behind the name; they were raised to think Republicans are the root of all evil. The GOP has pretty much destroyed it's own brand with the way it has behaved over the last few decades. A lot of black folks would not vote Republican but might vote for a third party. To simply say there are X number of Republicans and you must subtract Y from that number is wrong. There are a lot of people who normally don't vote at all who might come out. It's not a zero sum game.
Second, who cares at this point? We are going to hell whether under RINO Republicanism or the Democrats; it's just a matter of how fast we get there. There is no desire to push back against anything by the Establishment GOP. At best we gain a couple of years before the Democrats get their crazy new idea. So a third party would at minimum offer a chance to vote your conscience rather than having to hold your nose and vote for some guy who is going to move the ball left, but not as far left as the Democrat. You might lose (in fact we probably would) but at least we can lose with a clear conscience, go down swinging. Now we are losing without ever actually getting into the fray.
Another assumption I disagree with here Bill is that the Democrats will remain a united party. They are terribly fractured, and the only thing holding them together is the two party system. Fracture the GOP and how long before a lot of the radicals in the Democrats split from their party? When they see it can be done they will probably follow suit. we could wind up with as many as six parties (what the Founding Fathers envisioned, I might add) and I suspect more of them would be former Democrats than Republicans.
The fact is Bill, Albert Einstein said "insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results" and by that definition we are batshit crazy, because we keep sticking with the GOP and expecting it to suddenly act in our interest. Why should it? They can afford to take us for granted precisely because we have nowhere else to go. That has to change or we will see no change, and we will continue on our Sovietization of America.
I think what happened to Donald Trump, with the GOP refusing to lift a finger to help him, shows the party cannot be reformed.
Second, who cares at this point? We are going to hell whether under RINO Republicanism or the Democrats; it's just a matter of how fast we get there. There is no desire to push back against anything by the Establishment GOP. At best we gain a couple of years before the Democrats get their crazy new idea. So a third party would at minimum offer a chance to vote your conscience rather than having to hold your nose and vote for some guy who is going to move the ball left, but not as far left as the Democrat. You might lose (in fact we probably would) but at least we can lose with a clear conscience, go down swinging. Now we are losing without ever actually getting into the fray.
Another assumption I disagree with here Bill is that the Democrats will remain a united party. They are terribly fractured, and the only thing holding them together is the two party system. Fracture the GOP and how long before a lot of the radicals in the Democrats split from their party? When they see it can be done they will probably follow suit. we could wind up with as many as six parties (what the Founding Fathers envisioned, I might add) and I suspect more of them would be former Democrats than Republicans.
The fact is Bill, Albert Einstein said "insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results" and by that definition we are batshit crazy, because we keep sticking with the GOP and expecting it to suddenly act in our interest. Why should it? They can afford to take us for granted precisely because we have nowhere else to go. That has to change or we will see no change, and we will continue on our Sovietization of America.
I think what happened to Donald Trump, with the GOP refusing to lift a finger to help him, shows the party cannot be reformed.
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