May 21, 2018
Pope Francis Excuses Homosexuality - Again
Timothy Birdnow
Once again, Pope Francis upends established Christian dogma. This time the volatile vicar blames God for Sins of the flesh, telling a gay man "God made you that way" in and thus excusing what has been understood as a mortal sin.
According to the Fox News article:
"Cruz reportedly told El Pais, a Spanish newspaper, that the two had a conversation about his homosexuality and said he was told, "Juan Carlos, I don’t care about you being gay. God made you that way and loves you as you are and I don’t mind. The pope loves you as you are, you have to be happy with who you are.â€
The Los Angeles Times reported that the Vatican did not confirm the pope’s comments given that it was a private conversation." End excerpt.
While Francis has upheld traditional Catholic teaching which says homosexuality is a sin that leads to eternal damnation, he has been unusually cavalier about it, once saying it was above his pay grade'"Who am I to judge?" he notoriously stated during his first press conference in 2013. Well, he's the POPE, and that's why he's paid the big bucks. If he didn't want to warn people they are going to Hell he shouldn't have accepted the position of Pontiff.
Technically speaking, the Pope could be excused for this in that, while he is blaming God for this rather than human sin, he is saying that God loves the man regardless, which is true, but it sends a terrible message to those who listen to the Pope. Paul said unequivocally in 1Corinthians 6:9
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind"
And the Old Testament makes homosexuality a capital offense. It is clear that homosexuality is a grave sin, something that God does not excuse lightly. While He will forgive it, the homosexual must repent.
And in the next verse it says quite plainly "such WERE some of you". You have to be penitent first. But Francis seems eager to forgive where there is no repentance, and to excuse sins that people don't want to surrender. He probably feels this is in the spirit of Jesus, but it is rather in the spirit of Satan, who is quick to encourage sinfulness.
And people may or may not be "born that way" (I argue they aren't but choose a route that carries them there but I may be wrong0 but people are "born that way" in many other ways and choose not to indulge themselves. There are would-be pedophiles, would be murderers, would be adulterers, would be necrophiles etc. who just don't do it. If a man is homosexual he is not culpable morally unless and until he indulges. Of course, men who are heterosexual are also not supposed to indulge themselves unless they are married.
The first, most fundamental job of the Pope is to keep people out of Hell, not to help their self-esteem. He is doing irreparable harm.
Once again, Pope Francis upends established Christian dogma. This time the volatile vicar blames God for Sins of the flesh, telling a gay man "God made you that way" in and thus excusing what has been understood as a mortal sin.
According to the Fox News article:
"Cruz reportedly told El Pais, a Spanish newspaper, that the two had a conversation about his homosexuality and said he was told, "Juan Carlos, I don’t care about you being gay. God made you that way and loves you as you are and I don’t mind. The pope loves you as you are, you have to be happy with who you are.â€
The Los Angeles Times reported that the Vatican did not confirm the pope’s comments given that it was a private conversation." End excerpt.
While Francis has upheld traditional Catholic teaching which says homosexuality is a sin that leads to eternal damnation, he has been unusually cavalier about it, once saying it was above his pay grade'"Who am I to judge?" he notoriously stated during his first press conference in 2013. Well, he's the POPE, and that's why he's paid the big bucks. If he didn't want to warn people they are going to Hell he shouldn't have accepted the position of Pontiff.
Technically speaking, the Pope could be excused for this in that, while he is blaming God for this rather than human sin, he is saying that God loves the man regardless, which is true, but it sends a terrible message to those who listen to the Pope. Paul said unequivocally in 1Corinthians 6:9
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind"
And the Old Testament makes homosexuality a capital offense. It is clear that homosexuality is a grave sin, something that God does not excuse lightly. While He will forgive it, the homosexual must repent.
And in the next verse it says quite plainly "such WERE some of you". You have to be penitent first. But Francis seems eager to forgive where there is no repentance, and to excuse sins that people don't want to surrender. He probably feels this is in the spirit of Jesus, but it is rather in the spirit of Satan, who is quick to encourage sinfulness.
And people may or may not be "born that way" (I argue they aren't but choose a route that carries them there but I may be wrong0 but people are "born that way" in many other ways and choose not to indulge themselves. There are would-be pedophiles, would be murderers, would be adulterers, would be necrophiles etc. who just don't do it. If a man is homosexual he is not culpable morally unless and until he indulges. Of course, men who are heterosexual are also not supposed to indulge themselves unless they are married.
The first, most fundamental job of the Pope is to keep people out of Hell, not to help their self-esteem. He is doing irreparable harm.
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Wrong, Lucy Furr (I know you think that's cute but it speaks volumes about who you are and what you believe.) Papal infallibility only occurs when he is speaking ex cathedra, and to do that he must formally invoke it. His OPINION is nothing more than that, and in this case is at odds with Church teaching i.e. is heretical. The last time the Pope invoked ex-cathedra was in 1950, when Pope Pius XII defined the Assumption of Mary. That requires considerable discussion among the Church heirarchy and, essentially, the Pope declares a well established policy as dogma. You are profoundly confused here.
The Catholic Church and all Popes - including this one - have acknowledged that homosexuality is a sin. Francis can't change that now on a whim.
Nice try, but like the real Lucifer you have failed in the end.
The Catholic Church and all Popes - including this one - have acknowledged that homosexuality is a sin. Francis can't change that now on a whim.
Nice try, but like the real Lucifer you have failed in the end.
Posted by: Timothy Birdnow at May 23, 2018 02:17 PM (Vl+LV)
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Authoritarian law refers to the law of man, and being gay isn't illegal. Ergo, loosed on earth, etc etc, not a sin.
I do wonder what god thinks of slum lords though.
I do wonder what god thinks of slum lords though.
Posted by: Lucy Furr at May 26, 2018 05:40 PM (EqduK)
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So Nazis murdering Jews in concentration camps was not a sin either, by such reasoning. "Loosed on Earth...
Basically you are arguing that any fad is moral if enough people agree and the Pope doesn't say no.
That is the exact opposite of Church teaching and Law; sin is an eternal truth and is not open to review. You fail to grasp that what is being discusssed in that passage where Jesus tells Peter that was that he could FORGIVENESS in Heaven and on Earth or he could grant it. Forgiveness is predicated on repentence, which is the whole point of that statement by Jesus. He didn't tell Peter he was omnipotent, which using your interpretation is precisely what that would imply.
The Pope certainly can't suspend the law of gravity by Papal bull, and he can't suspend the moral law either. Both are immutable laws governing the universe. What the Pope can do is simply authorize the Sacraments be permitted onr not (excommunication can be a remedy when someone breaks the Commandments).
Oh, and Jesus said in Matthew 5:17
"I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I
came to fulfill it"
Which means that all of the texts in the Bible condemning homosexuality - in Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Romans, Hebrews, John, etc. It is referred to as an abomination. That does not mean a gay person is guaranteed to go to Hell, but that if he or she practices they will - just as a married person will if they practice sex outside of their marriage. Again, the whole point of the "bound on Earth, loosed on Earth" is to point out the authority of the Pope in matters of the Sacrament of Penance.
The verse you misuse is about spiritual and not carnal restrictions. It is a passage about Church discipline, not magic, which is how you itnerpret it. Magic is forbidden in Christianity, except for the kind practiced by Vegas show types.
Posted by: Timothy Birdnow at May 28, 2018 10:05 AM (rLsub)
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