Timothy Birdnow

In an argument of Facebook I take on Vote Fraud Deniers. Here is the thread:

Michael Solomon says:

And the rest of the story - accept defeat with dignity and strive for victory when the sun next rises!

I reply:

But Michael Solomon the Democrats never accepted defeat with dignity. They fight ruthlessly to overturn the results they do not like. Republicans keep playing this game of jolly good fellow, which is why they keep losing. It's past time for them to take the gloves off. In our modern era there is no defeat with dignity; this is a war of extermination being waged on America by the Left and we have to start fighting like our lives depend on it or we will surelly perish. This is exactly how communist takeovers have gone. Orlando Maldonado replies:

No disrespect intended but common sense must prevail here. When the Dems lost, only one Dem claimed election fraud the rest of the Dems in Congress went with election results; they complained but they didn't:
1) Pass laws to restrict voting in their home states. When one restricts voting this is a direct play from the communist and/autocrat playbook.
2) Claim illegals voted in mass quantities, which has been disproven.
3) Claim foreign interference in our elections ballots. Yes, the Dems where trump has been concerned did claim Russian interference; but, I ask you to recall that the Repubs' Intelligence Committee confirmed active Russian support and interference in our 2016 and 2020 elections. No such connection has yet to be claimed by the Repubs against the Dems. Lastly, since you seem to fear communism, why aren't you upset about trump's connections to Putin who is clearly a communist autocrat?
4) Attempt to overturn a legitimate presidential election.
Al Gore 's presidential loss to George W Bush was questionable, especially given how the voting in FL was handled; but, once the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Bush, Gore gracefully acquiesced.

Mr Birdnow, ask yourself honestly why would any democratically oriented party attempt to suppress the bedrock of a democratic process, ie, the right to vote, if it wasn't for fear of fairly losing.

Orlando Maldonado the reason the Dems did not complain where they lost in the last election was because they had stolen the Presidency and knew any complaints would turn up what they had done. Of course they didn't complain, just grumble. It may well be the GOP won the HOUSE, and quite possibly the Senate, if the votes had been honest.

1.Where was voting "restricted" Orlando? If by restricted you mean limited to those who actually are registered and eligible to vote, I suppose that is the case. Nobody restricted any eligible voter. The restrictions were placed on illegal votes. There is a huge difference.

That is something that should not have required new laws. It was necessary because there was flagrant violations of voter laws in this last election.

2. How has claims of illegals voting been "disproven". I challenge the assumption. We don't know who has voted illegally because the areas controlled by Democrats will not audit their books and won't turn over voter rolls. We have no idea if illegal aliens voted or not. We do know that there were dead people who voted in this last election.

And while we cannot come up with exact numbers we do know that many non-citizens have voted in the past. https://www.justfactsdaily.com/quantifying-illegal-votes-cast-by-non-citizens-in-the-battleground-states-of-the-2020-presidential-election and probably did in fact vote in Democrat-controlled precincts. There is no mechanism to stop them and the Democrats were absolutely desperate (as was the GOP Establishment) to get rid of Trump.

If the above article is even remotely accurate then Trump won the election.

3. No, what the Republicans did find was Russian contacts trying to penetrate the Trump campaign (as they do with almost everyone.) The Trump campaign met with a Russian woman named Natalia Veselnitskaya who was trying to trap Trump by offering dirt on Hillary and they turned her down. In point of fact, if you want to open this can of worms, we can talk about the scam run on Trump by the FBI. They bugged Trump and everyone laughed when he said it but it was later proven to be true. They "briefed" him so they could open an investigation while he was running for President.

In the end they found nothing. The GOP committee report (run by a NeverTrumper I might add) was full of sound and fury but presented nothing. Zero, Zilch. Otherwise Trump would have been impeached and removed from office. The Democrats did not impeach Trump on "Russian collusion" if you remember, despite these supposed "smoking guns" the media tries to report. Why? Becuase there was no there there.

Most of what the Russians did was run a few hundred dollars worth of ads.

BTW, why would the Russians want Trump? The cornerstone of Russia's overall foreign strategy rested on energy, and the Russians planned to hold Europe by being the primary supplier of oil and gas. Trump wanted America to produce oil and gas and in fact it was fracking that turned us into an exporter of petroleum products (and made our economy boom). Hillary would have fought that as part of the Paris Accord. The Russians had more reason to want Hillary, who also would have kept us embroiled in pointless foreign wars, and would have wasted American money supporting alliances that were now of dubious value. The Russians aren't stupid. There was no reason to support Trump and every reason to support Hillary. They had paid big bucks to the Clinton Foundation already.

Oh, and it was a Russian spy who provided Mike Steele with the information he used to produce the Steele dossier, in case you forgotten. I would say THAT constitutes election tampering by the Russians, wouldn't you?

Bill Clinton received half a million dollars for just one speech to the Russians. Oh, and let us not forget the cozy Uranium One deal Mrs. Clinton brokered when she was Sec. State.

There is also evidence that China interfered in this last election in Biden's favor. https://amac.us/infographic-chinas-2020-election-interference/ Also https://www.foxnews.com/politics/how-does-china-interfere-in-the-u-s-presidential-election and even MSN https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/why-downplaying-chinas-election-interference-could-backfire-opinion/ar-BB19BvwB

I do not fear Trump's "connection" to Putin because there is none. Nobody has ever proven any such. Or do you believe Trump was asking Putin to hack Hillary's e-mails? Most Democrats wouldn't know a joke if it bit them in the posterior.

4. This was not a "legitimate election". There were multiple shady things about it. Governors and judges both overturned election laws established by state legislatures and wrote their own (something illegal.) The implementation of mail in voting (as opposed to absentee voting, which requires proof of identity) made this election easily stolen. In all of the key precincts in all of the battleground states Trump was pulling away and voting count stopped - and when it resumed (after poll watchers left) every ballot was for Biden, amazingly enough.

Statistical analysis of the data showed the results were impossible. https://nameproscdn.com/a/2020/11/190518_f66a63b5e7596bcaef1bf99643b94cd8.pdf
This fits with common sense and logic: Joe Biden did not campaign, was not an exciting candidate, and has been around for decades. Trump had all the excitement on his side, and in fact won more black votes than any GOP candidate in history (and won more votes than any GOP candidate in history). And not only did Biden "win" but he had no coattails at all. Election like this are waves and the Dems lost seats in the House and barely scratched a plurality in the Senate (after cheating in the Georgia runoff.) That's not the way this would go.

Answer this; why did the Democrats sue to accept unsigned or mismatched signatures on mail in ballots in Pennsylvania (and they won in a friendly judge's court too.) There is no reason for that except a desire to stuff the ballot box.

I could go on but the point is made; this was a shifty election at minimum. And given the desperation of the Democrats, and the fact that they had already tried to impeach Trump, do you really think they would now play by the rules and accept whatever the outcome may be? The fact is the Democrats were planning to steal this, and probably with a lot of help from the GOP establishment; Mitch McConnell was telling his camdidates to avoid Trump in their campaigns.

Uh, there were irregularities in the election of 2000 by the Democrats too. There were the "hanging chads" and other ridiculous things being done by Democrats to steal the election, and they kept trying to endlessly recount until they could dredge up enough votes. And Gore did not just roll over if you remember. In fact, there were lots of jokes about Sore Loserman and the like because Gore was NOT gracious in defeat; he recanted his concession that night and dragged the election out for months.

Mt. Maldonado ask yourself why wouldn't the Democrats try to steal this election when they wouldn't accept Trump as President from the very beginning. They ran the Russian collusion scam on him (and that came from the Hillary campaign.) They refused to go to his inauguration (and there was far more violence that night in D.C. than the so-called "insurrection"). Articles of impeachment were introduced no later than May of 2016 by Democrats. There were endless investigations which all proved fruitless. They then impeached Trump for the telephone call to the Ukrainians which also proved fruitless (and was a ridiculous "dog whistle" accusation.) They attacked Mr. Trump endlessly and personally. But when election time came you believe they suddenly were scrupulous with the rules and followed them to the letter? And a guy who is senile and didn't campaign suddenly surged and won? I've got some swamp land to sell you and it's a great deal!

No, this election was stolen, that is fairly plain. Here is a link from May 10 showing at least 1200 cases of proven vote fraud. https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/database-swells-1285-proven-cases-voter-fraud-america See also https://medium.com/discourse/voter-fraud-occurred-in-2020-election-a82c71dfc071
I would also point out that a Democrat who ran the polls in Texas went to prison for vote fraud, and so too did one in Pennsylvania. Granted, these stemmed from the '16 elections, but do you think these were isolated incidents?

Trump was right to fight this. BTW the Democrats filed objections to the Electoral College vote when Trump won, in case you have forgotten. It was considered patriotic back then.

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