September 04, 2020

Arguing with Idiots: New Covid Addition

Timothy Birdnow

On the AARP page of Facebook (they signed me up to receive updates on my page without my permission so I always give 'em hell!) an argument erupted and I wanted to share my own part in it.

This topic was Covid and how we're all going to die.

Rachel said:

PLEASE. We really need to get over our excessive fear of being alive. I am so DONE with the fearmongering!

I replied:

Amen. Being reasonably cautious is a world away from what we've been doing, which is trying to frighten and panic the public. The way this thing has been handled by the media and the progressives like AARP is disgraceful. We've never done anything remotely like this before. And the numbers have never, ever justified the lockdown/
masking/civil liberties usurpations. This was all based on Neil Ferguson's model, which was ridiculous and even he admitted it was wrong. We were told to do all this to "flatten the curve" then it subtly morphed into "saving lives" with all of this. But it doesn't save lives and the only way were are going to get past this is by reopening and letting the healthy people develop immunity to it. You can't hide from it forever.

Larissza Ratka Altdorfer didn't like that:

Timothy Birdnow https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/24/coronavirus-dead-victims-stories/?arc404=true They are not numbers, they are people with a life cut too short and we didn't see the statistic yet, how many infected will have a life-changing disability after they get better. It's not a big deal to wear a mask and wash hands. You don't have to be scared to do it.

I retorted:

Larissza Ratkai Altdorfer how many people died of other things last year? Every death is sad, but do you hide under your bed because you might die of a car crash or catch the flu or get shot?

Do you know that only about nine thousand people have died in the U.S. who had no comorbidities? https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR359rNVZxca-dH46TdSrImySsGLWuQxOtcxPyry3aW4QzCmV7Zb0YlbN94
and that most of the deaths we have had occured in New York, Massachussetts, and a few other places and most were a result of the idiotic policy of putting people infected with Wuhan Virus in nursing homes? Do you realize that other countries that did not do the lockdown (like Sweden) did better than most of the countries that had strict lockdowns? (You'll only hear Sweden compared to Norway and Denmaerk; never to Britain or Germany or the U.S. Now why do you suppose that is?)

This is a disease that is no certainly no worse than the pandemic of 1957 or '68. We did not panic and imprison America then. Doing so now is pure fearmongering, and it is largley being driven by political aspirations.

You are so concerned about people dying, but do stay awake at night worrying about the
2,749 people who have been killed by gunfire in Chicago as of this year alone? That's over a quarter of the total number of deaths without comorbidities. But we don't shut Chicago down. In fact, we've promoted rioting and looting in multiple cities and said it was safe to "protest".

Washing your hands is fine, but we're still going to have this disease until we reach herd immunity. People don't seem to grasp that. What is needed is for the young and healthy to catch it, get better (and probably be asymptomatic) and get over it. Hand washing is good for the elderly and sickly. Masks are a monument to stupidity. Even Fauci admittede that, calling them "talismans". Their purpose is, like air raid drills in Omaha during WWII, to make the public aware and nothing more. A virus will move through a cloth mask like a mosquito through a chain link fence. Viruses are far too small to be stopped by a rag. You need a Hepa filter and a form-fitted mask minimum.

And it may come back and some people may develop permanent disabilities, but that happens with every disease. In point of fact it is likely to be a very small fraction of the population. We don't panic like this over other illnesses. We have to live our lives.

Compassion will not save any lives, and in fact the economic devastation is going to cost a lot of lives. So too is depression, domestic violence, etc. Your compassion is fine but in the end will hurt more people than the disease. All of the things you guys want to do will merely prolong and intensify the suffering and in the end the same number will die. Remember we used to talk about "flattening the curve"? All that meant was not having everyone get sick at the same time. It has subtly morphed into this vague notion we are somehow "fighting" the virus. All we are doing is dragging out the inevitable. Your concern for those who have died is nice, and I share it, but it accomplishes nothing of value. It's time to quit being so childish and get back to living our lives.
Susanna (don't you cry for me) says:

Rachelle Cook Cox As long as the USA has the largest number of Covid deaths in the World, and, there is no proven cure nor vaccine to fight it, there IS STILL REASON TO BE AFRAID.
BEING AFRAID OF A KILLER VIRUS IS A NORMAL RESPONSE.

I reply:

Susanna Caram the U.S. does NOT have the "largest death rate in the world". Even the very liberal NPR admits that. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/08/05/899365887/charts-how-the-u-s-ranks-on-covid-19-deaths-per-capita-and-by-case-count

They state:

"Among the 45 countries with more than 50,000 COVID-19 cases, the U.S. has the eighth-highest number of deaths per 100,000 people: 47.93 deaths from the coronavirus for every 100,000 Americans. Belgium has the highest per capita death rate: 86.3 deaths per 100,000. "

"But in terms of case fatality ratio, the U.S. is doing significantly better than many other countries. The country's case fatality ratio is 3.3%, meaning that for every 100 people with COVID-19, only about three die." End

Do you hide under your bed from crime or influenza or bad drivers or the possibility of being hit by space debris? Life is dangerous; get over it.

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