January 25, 2020
Arguing with Idiots, Greta Edition II
Timothy Birdnow
More arguing with someone with climate on the brain:
From the wet brained Henry:
From me:
This from another respondent, Doug:
My reply:
More arguing with someone with climate on the brain:
From the wet brained Henry:
i've never heard her even raise her voice, but "EVERYONE PANIC" is an
excellent choice of words give our present dire straits.. but she sated
"don't worry, no one hardly listened to me"
From me:
Strange; these people tell me to shut up because I am not a climate
scientist but are eager to hear from an ignorant girl with a mental
disorder. Makes perfect sense to me!
This from another respondent, Doug:
Of course
What is interesting is there are really very few "climate scientists "
In order to qualify I would think a number of disciplines are needed .
Physics, Astronomy, Geology, engineering , meteorology, Biologist and more.
Having trained in a number of these fields , either formal or autodidactic ,would seem to me necessary.
We very likely have more to learn about drivers of climate than we know to this point . But that’s why Science is so interesting .
Just goes to show it’s always something
Henry the Alarmist jumps in:
What is interesting is there are really very few "climate scientists "
In order to qualify I would think a number of disciplines are needed .
Physics, Astronomy, Geology, engineering , meteorology, Biologist and more.
Having trained in a number of these fields , either formal or autodidactic ,would seem to me necessary.
We very likely have more to learn about drivers of climate than we know to this point . But that’s why Science is so interesting .
Just goes to show it’s always something
Henry the Alarmist jumps in:
Greta truly does no care about criticism, she and countless brilliant
people knows she's right, and history will prove it. So, if she does
not care, I don't care about your personal assaults on me. Bring it on,
she will still be one of my heroes...
My reply:
Excellent points, Doug. There is so little crossover between
disciplines these days, and so we wind up with climatologists assuming
co2 as the primary driver of planetary temperatures because that is all
they know. It's why Heirich Svensmark was poo-pooed, by so many
"climate scientists" because they had no experience with the type of
research he was doing. (He's been largely proven correct about cosmic
rays and cloud cover.)
We have unidimensional thinking in so much of this.
Oh, and I always love when they say "scientists agree" here. They ignore the Oregon Petition, for example, which - even if we subtract 90% of the signatures, still has a larger statistical sampling than does the Oreskes or Cook surveys.
Oh, and Henry H. Kellam III, the really big money is om the side of the Alarmists, who have the very wealthy NGO's, such as the Audubon Society, Greenpeace, etc. as well as large donations from all major corporations as well as outfits like the MacArthur Fund and, most importantly, vast sums of money from the U.S. government as well as other governments around the world AND the United Nations. What do the "deniers" have? Even the most hated company of all - Exxon Mobile - flipped sides when Rex Tillerson was CEO and now helps fund and support Global Warming Alarmism. The money is all on your side, my friend. All the "deniers" (a malicious term designed to slander people who disagree) is the Truth.
We have unidimensional thinking in so much of this.
Oh, and I always love when they say "scientists agree" here. They ignore the Oregon Petition, for example, which - even if we subtract 90% of the signatures, still has a larger statistical sampling than does the Oreskes or Cook surveys.
Oh, and Henry H. Kellam III, the really big money is om the side of the Alarmists, who have the very wealthy NGO's, such as the Audubon Society, Greenpeace, etc. as well as large donations from all major corporations as well as outfits like the MacArthur Fund and, most importantly, vast sums of money from the U.S. government as well as other governments around the world AND the United Nations. What do the "deniers" have? Even the most hated company of all - Exxon Mobile - flipped sides when Rex Tillerson was CEO and now helps fund and support Global Warming Alarmism. The money is all on your side, my friend. All the "deniers" (a malicious term designed to slander people who disagree) is the Truth.
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It is NOT true that there are "so few climate scientists!" What IS true is that there are very few true climate scientists who want to dirty themselves by engaging in this false argument in the first place. Of those who do, the proverbial 70% agree with the fiction because it allows them to score lucrative government grants to study the "problem."
I am not making this up. This has been pointed out in reputable publications many times. And for those to whom that 70% is Holy Writ, somebody should tell them that science is not "done" by percentages anyhow.
I am not making this up. This has been pointed out in reputable publications many times. And for those to whom that 70% is Holy Writ, somebody should tell them that science is not "done" by percentages anyhow.
Posted by: Dana Mathewson at January 25, 2020 10:39 AM (/pPvq)
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I have had a saying for many years:
"Never argue with idiots. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
"Never argue with idiots. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
Posted by: Bill H at January 25, 2020 11:11 AM (vMiSr)
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Absolutely Dana! Follow the money - and the money is all on the side those claiming the sky is falling.
NASA's first woman climatologist was Joanna Simpson. She remained silent until the day she retired then she savaged her former bosses, claiming she was intimidated into silence at the risk of her job. Why? The government wants global warming to be accepted, so they can raise taxes, impose regulations, and control people. They use money to enforce silence.
Who is going to destroy their career, something they worked years to attain, over a matter of principle? Not many in our modern society. There are very few Thomas Moores in modernity.
NASA's first woman climatologist was Joanna Simpson. She remained silent until the day she retired then she savaged her former bosses, claiming she was intimidated into silence at the risk of her job. Why? The government wants global warming to be accepted, so they can raise taxes, impose regulations, and control people. They use money to enforce silence.
Who is going to destroy their career, something they worked years to attain, over a matter of principle? Not many in our modern society. There are very few Thomas Moores in modernity.
Posted by: Timothy Birdnow at January 25, 2020 11:24 AM (yQHdb)
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Bill, I agree with you except I argue for the education of others, not this foolish person. One of the tricks of the Left is to come into one of our discussions and throw little bombs and then move on. It costs them very little but it plants the seeds of doubt in the uneducated who may be visiting. I never let them go unchallenged for that reason. We have to smack these people down when they show up, not for their sake but for the sake of those casual readers.
Posted by: Timothy Birdnow at January 25, 2020 11:26 AM (yQHdb)
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Another way to put it, Bill, is "Never mud wrestle with a pig. It just gets you dirty, and the pig enjoys it."
That's why I reserve my arguing for this site; I don't go other places -- don't have the time or the inclination. Here, we have intelligent people, and if we get into an argument at least we don't insult one another.
That's why I reserve my arguing for this site; I don't go other places -- don't have the time or the inclination. Here, we have intelligent people, and if we get into an argument at least we don't insult one another.
Posted by: Dana Mathewson at January 25, 2020 05:43 PM (6kaFE)
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