Timothy Birdnow

In an argument with a stupid liberal (but I repeat myself) he accused me of being mean and saying my attitude won't "redeem Mankind".

We were discussing my 2008 article The Right to Mobility and he just couldn't take it.

I told him if he needed a redeemer he should try Jesus and not government.

I also directed him to these words from his own side, which follow.

Paul Chevalier says:

Your coherency-challenged priggish tirades actively avoid addressing details of arguments presented, instead they deflect into comically transparent talking points and disingenuous strawman false characterizations, spiraling down into a raging hatred of the "enemy”, wandering off into nugatory non-sequiturs (Maui? seriously?)

And again, you've missed the irony of anyone reflecting hateful rhetoric back to you(aka "can dish it out but can’t take it”). What these threads expose is that your entire online persona unerringly devolves into a tiresome incessant fact-avoidant diatribe against the evil bogeyman you’ve been brainwashed to hate, the "Left". It might never dawn on you that what you’re really doing is furthering polarization, and are assuredly known to IRA as an asset that they can easily feed propaganda to via your predictable "news” sources, knowing you’ll eagerly parrot them and further their work at division and undermining of our democracy. They’d willingly pay you to do more of the same, if they aren’t already doing so.That’s about as un-American as can be.
to quote Bertrand Russell, Human Society in Ethics and Politics:
"When you hate, you generate a reciprocal hate. When individuals hate each other, the harm is finite; but when great groups of nations hate each other, the harm may be infinite and absolute. Do not fall back upon the thought that those whom you hate deserve to be hated. I do not know whether anybody deserves to be hated, but I do know that hatred of those whom we believe to be evil is not what will redeem mankind.”

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This after he had attacked me, calling me a racist to one of his friends (which he posted accidentally and deleted.)

This after he said:

"Timothy Birdnow Aside from the palaverous hate-filled ramblings assembled from the talking points of worst of the worst extremist media outlets, can you explain whether your core claim of "refusing our right to drill for oil" is a patent falsehood known to you and you're just spouting it for some pathetically otiose agenda, or if you actually give credence to it out of factual ignorance. Please ponder a couple of thoughts: 1: what percentage of U.S. petroleum drilling is done on private vs public lands, and 2: How many drilling leases for public lands are currently approved for energy companies, where those companies are choosing not to exercise them? Simple facts like those (and many others) trivially neuter your simple-minded and rage-blinded meretricious blatherings"

And cautioned his friend Craig Ball:

Keeping distance is prudent. Anything suggesting more than an arm's-length association with toxic extremist persona risks jeopardizing not just clearances.

I retort:




Consider World Economic Forum (WEF) adviser Yuval Noah Harari calling for depopulation.

And what of this?

Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don't want to have too many of.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg
"The Place of Women on the Court". Interview with Emily Bazelon, www.nytimes.com. July 7, 2009

Or this?

My three main goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with it's full complement of species, returning throughout the world.
David Foreman

Or

The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. ...The real enemy then is humanity itself.
Aurelio Peccei
Real, Men, Kyoto Protocol

Or

Adding a sterilant to drinking water or staple foods is a suggestion that seems to horrify people, most - than most proposals for involuntarily fertility control.
John Holdren
Drinking, People, Water
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or

One-fourth of humanity must be eliminated from the social body. We are in charge of God's selection process for planet Earth. He selects, we destroy. We are the riders of the pale horse, Death.
Barbara Marx Hubbard

or

We must speak more clearly about sexuality, contraception, about abortion, about values that control population, because the ecological crisis, in short, is the population crisis. Cut the population by 90% and there aren't enough people left to do a great deal of ecological damage.
Mikhail Gorbachev

Or

Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government
Henry A. Kissinger

or

The one thing man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by a World Government, a New World Order.
Henry A. Kissinger

or

In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation.
Prince Philip

or

A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.
Ted Turner

The world today has 6.8 billion people...that's headed up to about 9 billion. If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 to 15 percent.
Bill Gates

I could go on but I think the point is made. What am I to think? And who is it loves Mankind? Seems to me the global elites want to eliminate all of us hoi poloi.

You speak of "redeeming Mankind" but those on your side are eager to liquidate most of the "problem".

First, I DID NOT INVITE YOU HERE, and yet feel free to insult me. Is that how you return courtesy? I let you have your say more than once, and still you feel you have a divine right to be abusive. If you showed up at someone's house uninvited and ate dinner with them would you then insult them in this fashion?

You lost the argument repeatedly but all you do is attack because that's all liberals like you are capable of doing when push comes to shove. YOU are the guy who chose to make this nasty, not I. But that is typical; in the end you have to because there is neither logic nor facts on your side and you know it. It's why you rage now and why you come in angry.

I fear you are projecting your own approach and anger onto me. I am addressing a movement that has not been exactly silent on what it seeks and plans to accomplish.

YOU were the one who started the nastiness here, not I. You also either do not understand what your own people believe or you simply pretend not to.

Either way I have the words of so many liberals to back up exactly what they are doing and prove my assertions. I have the words of the World Economic Forum promoting the Great Reset. I have the words of U.N. official Christiana Figueras executive secretary of U.N.'s Framework Convention on Climate Change admitting the whole climate change issue is about world government and international socialism.https:// www.investors.co m/politics/ editorials/ climate-change-s care-tool-to-de stroy-capitalis m/

I have the Climategate e-mails and the actual words of those in high places plotting to subvert peer review and blacklist those unwilling to play ball.

I have the actual words of Joe Biden saying he wanted to end oil. He said it during his debate with Trump.

I have the words of Barack Hussein Obama, who promised to raise gas prices. https:// www.investors.co m/politics/ editorials/ energy-prices-ar e-historically- higher-under-ob ama/

I have Hillary Clinton promising to end oil and coal when speaking in West Virginia.

So how am I supposed to take all that?

Well, Joe Biden did it too. https:// nypost.com/2022/ 05/23/ biden-praises-ga s-prices-as-par t-of-incredible -transition/

Seems your problem isn't with me so much as it is with the people on your side of the aisle. And with the facts.

You want to talk about "redeeming man kind"? You don't seek to redeem anybody, but rather to ensnare them, or your champions do anyway.

Your liberal worldview is not about any sort of kindnessor love of Mankind. If you love someone you don't seek to radically transform them. That is what leftism is all about; fundamentally changing humanity. If you actually love people you woldn't use the force of government to suppress them in the way you promote. That is rather like dating a pretty girl next door and forcing her to dress like a whore, and behave in ways unbecoming. You might be enraptured but you aren't in love.

We've seen how it works in places like the Soviet Union, or Cuba, or Venezuela. And you want that for the U.S. and the rest of the world as well. Sorry dude but Communism is a doctrine of demons. If you truly want the redemption of Mankind you would reject that as surely as you would reject Naziism.

I do not preach "hatred" which is the tired old shibboleth and ad-hominem attack on us. I want to preserve what was right and beautiful and just , here and abroad. I want to preserve the Judeo-Christian

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