Arguing with Idiots D.C. "Mostly Peaceful Protest" Issue

Timothy Birdnow

Another arguing with idiots edition. This time Marty McClimens responds to Willis Eschenbach's post about why Trump has trouble finding lawyers (due to threats of violence and economic intimidation.)

Marty comments:

Timothy Birdnow "vile pricks" Proud Boys stand down and stand by

Our friend across the pond David Redfern asks:

Marty McClimens Where was any violence perpetrated by the Proud Boys?

Where were the burnings, looting and murders?

Kindly resort to evidence rather than unsubstantiated

Marty answers:

David Redfern at the capital! (sic)

I reply:

Evidence Marty McClimens. Please provide your evidence it was the Proud Boys who actually did the violence at the Capitol. From what I read they charged five Proud Boys with "aiding the mob". That is a far cry from pillaging Trump lawyer's home.

BTW, there is a difference between breaking windows at the Capitol and attacking the private residence of a lawyer for President Trump, which was intended as a way to bully lawyers into not working for him. I think you know that, and if you don't you should. The Capitol is the People's House, not a guy's private domicile where his family lives.

Again, why are you not concerned now? Or when BLM was rioting and looting all last year?

It was a nice try though Marty.

Marty retorts:

Timothy Birdnowany violence towards people or property is wrong. What you mean how Trump tried to bully his way after he lost by millions of votes in a free and fare election. I guess a coup by a beaten politician is cool though.


David Redfern replies:

Marty McClimens You're right about that, any violence, however perpetrated is wrong.

Bearing in mind I'm in the UK, we Brit's and Americans live in Just societies, we have championed that principle across the globe, although have often stumbled ourselves.

So please explain to me how then, in a Just society, the US and UK MSM made so much about a couple of broken windows in the Capitol Building, with protesters invited into the building by security guards, and nothing more than minor damage done, protestors wandering around largely in awe they were actually in the place; and sticking to walking within roped off areas I might add.

Contrast that with the obvious months of burning, looting and vandalism perpetrated on cities and federal buildings, and federal agents. Many of them openly encouraged by Democratic politicians who, I believe, also raised bail for some of those arrested.

Then there was the protest I seem to remember AOC leading into the Capitol Building, and wasn't there another more significant one in 2018? From memory.

None of these events were sincerely condemned by the Democrats, we have to be honest about that.

Yet when an entirely legal and peaceful rally is addressed by Trump, whilst the Capitol Building is subject to another group of protestors, Trump is blamed for this, despite his request to march to the building and have their voices heard. Nothing to do with violence or protest, just march peacefully to be heard.

How can the impeachment of Trump possibly be considered Just, especially when Democrat lawyers are revealed as manufacturing evidence, and getting away with it.

This is corruption at the highest level, overtly, and in the public eye, stating quite plainly, we are a political party who will lie and cheat to achieve our objectives and, when caught, refuse to punish the perpetrators.

Bearing in mind, this is an organisation which has repeatedly called Trump a liar and a cheat, invoked two impeachments which have spectacularly failed, and is now itself caught red handed lying and cheating.

This is resonating around the world. How much faith will foreign powers have in dealing with Biden, and by association, America when he refuses to sanction his own people?

Just what did happen to the Democratic party that existed in JFK's day?

I reply:

Quick thinking there in changing the subject Marty!

Marty McClimens YOU didn't agree back when your friends were looting and rioting. Now suddenly you think violence is wrong. Again, there were four Proud Boys arrested for "assisting" NOT actually for violent acts. But that doesn't seem to matter. You have lost absolutely all credibility with your last statements and now show yourself to be nothing but a partisan hack. Trump did NOT "bully his way after he lost in a free and fare (sic) election".I can post dozens of links for you and yet you will not be bothered with them. Take https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020/11/21/actually_there_is_evidence_of_voter_fraud_529713.html#! or https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-2020-election-what-happened-a-political-scientists-memorandum/ or https://www.afa.net/the-stand/culture/2020/12/staggering-evidence-of-2020-presidential-election-fraud/ or https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud or https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/11/03/us-election-fraud-is-real-and-its-impact-is-being-ignored/ or any number of other analysis. I can provide statistical evidence https://wmbriggs.com/post/33400/ I can provide clear cases of fraud in places like Antrim County. https://www.conservativedailynews.com/2020/12/antrim-county-forensics-report-on-dominion-voting-system-full-text-and-overview/ I can point out all the bellweathers failed to accurately predict this election. I can point out that there was a stoppage in vote count at three a.m. in Democratic controlled areas in key battleground states after which almost every single ballot went for Biden. I can point to registration irregularities. I can point out that Governors and judges illegally changed election laws. I can point out to forensics done on voting machines which showed they were altering ballots for Biden. and that there was a download that caused a "glitch" during voting. https://en-volve.com/2021/02/11/bombshell-new-evidence-of-election-fraud-in-nh-as-dominion-machines-found-to-have-taken-300-votes-off-every-republican-candidate/

There is evidence well beyond that needed by a grand jury. But you don't care, do you? Or that Trump and Biden were separated by just a few thousand votes in these keys states. You guys stole it, or gave it a heckuva try Marty.

Here's a compendium of evidence for vote fraud. https://www.lawofficer.com/this-is-why-republicans-believe-the-election-was-stolen/

You keep participating in a damnable lie. And how was it a coup Marty? Why weren't firearms used? Why didn't the mob try to seize other buildings than the capitol? You must know this is a lie. I guess that's cool to YOU?

And if you believe Biden won the popular vote by that margin you are smoking crack. Biden couldn't draw flies and yet he seriously outperformed Obama? http://themillenniumreport.com/2020/11/joe-biden-did-not-receive-79685131-votes-its-impossible-heres-why/ and https://pjmedia.com/columns/stephen-kruiser/2020/11/19/gimme-a-break-80-million-biden-voters-cant-be-real-n1159132 Gimme a break. The fact is the mail-in balloting and vote harvesting were designed to run up the numbers, and I know you know that. The Carter Baker Commission specifically warned against mail in ballots precisely for that very reason. Your claim is farsical.

The reality is by the behavior of your party America as we knew it is gone. Now Biden wants to create a government agency to stifle free speech and opposition. https://indianexpress.com/article/world/joe-biden-orders-review-of-us-domestic-extremism-threat-7159030/ He has opened the borders completely, and we have already been invaded by Iranians. He has at the same time taken the Houthi off the terrorism list. So he wants foreign terrorists but not domestic opposition. Is this what you want for America Marty?

We can no longer rely on the ballot box to redress grievances, since the Democrats have now put in place a machine to steal elections. Or do you deny they've been doing that for decades in Chicago and other big machine cities? Do you deny they have done that in California?

Do you deny the big tech companies are in collusion with your Democrat party to stifle free speech? Do you deny that people are being fired for making private comments that are not politically correct? THAT is the policy of your guys Marty.

Who has all the money? Biden outspent Trump by a factor of ten. Where did he get it? Mostly from the big corporations YOUR GUYS claim to despise. Why?

The Democrats are now completely bankrupt in any moral sense and hate America and yet you STILL stand by them. This is the party that booed God https://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/did-democrats-really-boo-god-not-quite-its-worse-than-that/ and are at war with Him. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jan/31/democrats-ongoing-problem-with-god/ This is the party that wants to let men dressed as women into girls locker rooms and bathrooms, and make us pretend they have periods and get pregnant. This is the party that seeks to strangle our access to energy, the very bedrock of modern civilization. This is the party that continues to divide Americans into groups. Is that what you believe in Marty?

Do you want America overrun by aliens and American jobs going to cheap foreign labor? Do you want Americans to be forced to work for cheap or be unemployed? We saw that during the Obama era. Jobs left and we were told they would never come back (until Trump brought them back.) Do you want crime running rampant and having no firearms to defend yourself? Do you believe in abortion on demand, even partial birth abortion? Is infanticide something you believe in Marty?

I think you are fighting the last war. There was a time when the Democrats actually did care about the little guy. No more.

That's not to say the Republicans do either, and their disgraceful behavior over the last few months shows they are in cahoots with the Democrats in holding power and spending their ill-gotten gain. But at least Donald Trump attempted to break the stranglehold the Left has on our government, and he has failed in no small part because some people want to bury their heads in the sand.

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