April 02, 2021
Arguing with Idiots Atheist Edition II
Timothy Birdnow
In another installment of the argument about atheists making government their god, a woman named Alicia took umbrage. She said:
So then why do the religious people want to legislate their morality all over the place?
I replied:
Who is legislating morality? From my standpoint it's clear the Godless left seems to be the ones imposing their moral code on everyone these days Alicia Dworek. Or havne't you heard of Political Correctness, Cancel Culture, Intersectionali
Bob Clasen adds:
Alicia DworekIsn’t all legislation legislating morality? Why do we make theft or murder or fraud a crime? Because we think they are immoral.
Alicia responds:
I'm talking about infringing on the individual rights that our country was founded upon.
The war on drugs criminalizes people who were minding their own business, and 47% of our incarcerated are there for drug charges.
Gay marriage and abortion. Redistribution of wealth schemes to satisfy a need for altruism....
We should be unencumbered in our right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, as long as we don't harm someone.
I retort:
Alicia Dworek I didn't know our country was founded on narcotics, homosexuality, and murdering babies. I'll have to check the Constitution to see if I missed anything in the Bill of Rights.
About the gay marriage business, marriage isn't a right at all, and there never was anything preventing homosexuals from getting married. They were always free to marry the opposite sex (which is the definition of marriage although you apparently don't understand that. They were also always free to covenant privately in any manner they wished. Marriage was and is about creating strong families, and it was rightly understood that two dudes didn't make for a proper environment to raise children. Religion only entered into this in a minor way.
As Bob Clasen said, all laws are "legislating morality".
Not sure which religions you think advocate redistribution of wealth. Most say YOU should give to the poor, not Il Duce.
You say:
"We should be unencumbered in our right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, as long as we don't harm someone. "
This is very simplistic. It sounds good but in the end you are demanding others bow to your particular vision. You know that someone who is drunk out of his mind isn't safe to bystanders while driving. But hey! They aren't hurting others - yet! This excuses theft of all kinds; you aren't hurting anyone when you defraud an insurance company or whatnot, are you really? By YOUR definition every individual has the absolute right to make the determination of what is right and proper and what is not. When that condition is in place you have a world in chaos, with everyone taking the most pleasing interpretation of what is good and proper. In the end all laws are based on a moral code. Either that code will be one based on Natural Law and our traditional religious views or it will be arbitrary, based on the will of the powerful. Your vision will lead to a rule of Men for their own private benefit.
BTW I've been robbed by a man who was high as a kite, so don't tell me drug use is a victimless crime.
In another installment of the argument about atheists making government their god, a woman named Alicia took umbrage. She said:
So then why do the religious people want to legislate their morality all over the place?
I replied:
Who is legislating morality? From my standpoint it's clear the Godless left seems to be the ones imposing their moral code on everyone these days Alicia Dworek. Or havne't you heard of Political Correctness, Cancel Culture, Intersectionali
Bob Clasen adds:
Alicia DworekIsn’t all legislation legislating morality? Why do we make theft or murder or fraud a crime? Because we think they are immoral.
Alicia responds:
I'm talking about infringing on the individual rights that our country was founded upon.
The war on drugs criminalizes people who were minding their own business, and 47% of our incarcerated are there for drug charges.
Gay marriage and abortion. Redistribution of wealth schemes to satisfy a need for altruism....
We should be unencumbered in our right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, as long as we don't harm someone.
I retort:
Alicia Dworek I didn't know our country was founded on narcotics, homosexuality, and murdering babies. I'll have to check the Constitution to see if I missed anything in the Bill of Rights.
About the gay marriage business, marriage isn't a right at all, and there never was anything preventing homosexuals from getting married. They were always free to marry the opposite sex (which is the definition of marriage although you apparently don't understand that. They were also always free to covenant privately in any manner they wished. Marriage was and is about creating strong families, and it was rightly understood that two dudes didn't make for a proper environment to raise children. Religion only entered into this in a minor way.
As Bob Clasen said, all laws are "legislating morality".
Not sure which religions you think advocate redistribution of wealth. Most say YOU should give to the poor, not Il Duce.
You say:
"We should be unencumbered in our right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, as long as we don't harm someone. "
This is very simplistic. It sounds good but in the end you are demanding others bow to your particular vision. You know that someone who is drunk out of his mind isn't safe to bystanders while driving. But hey! They aren't hurting others - yet! This excuses theft of all kinds; you aren't hurting anyone when you defraud an insurance company or whatnot, are you really? By YOUR definition every individual has the absolute right to make the determination of what is right and proper and what is not. When that condition is in place you have a world in chaos, with everyone taking the most pleasing interpretation of what is good and proper. In the end all laws are based on a moral code. Either that code will be one based on Natural Law and our traditional religious views or it will be arbitrary, based on the will of the powerful. Your vision will lead to a rule of Men for their own private benefit.
BTW I've been robbed by a man who was high as a kite, so don't tell me drug use is a victimless crime.
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