Trump negotiated the withdrawal and Biden already put it off once. Do you honestly believe it would've gone substantially better under Trump? Could he have predicted the Afghan military just dropping their guns? Their prez taking off in a helicopter full of cash? I was going to be a mess no matter who our leader was.

Trump would have a different plan something the world could be satisfied with not like that a****** Biden

lmao after all of the chaos of the trump admin i don't believe that for a second but you all go ahead and believe what you want.

Clinton Webb you ask:

" Do you honestly believe it would've gone substantially better under Trump?"

Yes. Trump had based his pullout strategy on the behavior of the Taliban and would have stopped the withdraw had they started military operations. Trump would not have closed Baghram airbase before evacuating the Embassy or any of our personnel. Trump would not have given a firm pullout date - and especially not 911, so the Taliban could glory over defeating America on that date. Trump would not have left all that military equipment. Trump would not have done any of this.

You ask:

"Could he have predicted the Afghan military just dropping their guns?"

Yes, anybody with a brain could have. Our generals predicted a collapse but Biden went ahead with this anyway.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/17/us/politics/afghanistan-biden-administration.html See also https://www.nationalreview.com/news/intel-agencies-warned-of-afghan-collapse-as-biden-publicly-downplayed-possibility/

Biden simply ignored this because he wanted to be the guy who got us out of Afghanistan. That is putting the best face on it. There are darker, worse interpretations one can imagine here.

I would add that we pulled out and left no support for the Afghan military, none. They were reliant on American air support. Only a fool would stay in the ranks with the Taliban coming and no air support from the U.S. It was switch sides or die - or worse, have your family die. And there really is no such thing as Afghanistan; it is a feudal kingdom of warring tribes, and in the end the soldiers there have more in common with other tribesmen than with some mystical notion of a state of Afghanistan. And the government was horribly corrupt so there was no true loyalty to Kabul.

If needed we could have left a couple of thousand troops there, or at least provided air support. We did not do any of this.

I would remind you we STILL have troops in Germany - since 1945. And for the last year Afghanistan has been quiet with no American deaths.

Don't read too much into that business about the president fleeing; he was never a unifying force anyway and nobody thought much about him. WE were the unifying force there.

Trump would never have allowed this Charlie Foxtrot on his watch; he liked to win and hated to lose. Biden is the eternal loser, a guy happy eating the excrement of others.

This would never have happened under Mr. Trump.

Oh, and one last point; China stands to gain vast mineral wealth https://www.cnbc.com/id/37678403from Afghanistan.  They have been in high level talks with Afghanistan for a while to secure mining rights. https://www.pri.org/stories/2021-07-29/china-holds-high-level-talks-taliban


Mr. Biden is up to his eyeballs with the Chinese. https://nypost.com/article/hunter-biden-china-timeline-business-ties/

He received a hefty donation from former ambassador Richard Burt, who now lobbies for the Chinese.  The Chinese are moving switftly to step into the void. https://asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/China-moves-swiftly-to-exploit-the-void-in-Afghanistan
And Mr. Biden has cashed in with the Chicoms. https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/04/24/lucas-biden-and-co-follow-the-money-from-china/
Couple that to the fact Biden has been making out well with the Russians, who have been funding the Taliban, and one must wonder at the rank incompetence displayed by Mr. Biden.

Donald Trump would never have allowed his image to be tarnished by screwing up this badly. Biden is a different breed of cat. He was the voice arguing against taking out Bin Laden, for example. He has been described by Robert Gates as wrong on every foreign policy issue for his entire career.

Yes, Mr. Trump would have done far better than Lunchbucket Joe.

Oh, and by the way, I don't see this as a humorous affair whatsoever Clinton. Perhaps you find it funny, but that speaks volumes about you and the people you defend.

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