Timothy Birdnow

Being a glutton for punishment the dimbulb John Wait continues to soldier on in his climate hysteria.

See part I here.

Ignoring all my arguments he redirects with the same lies:

John Wait of the babies says:

Robert Cainthe last six years have been the 6 hottest years in recorded history. The ice caps in Greenland and Antarctica are the lowest in recorded history. Last year was the most active for hurricanes in known history and the trend has been growing for both more frequent and more severe storms. Forrest fires are more common and or severe then ever. The u.s. has seen more and more as well as more severe natural disasters then ever before. These are verifiable facts. As is over 97% of climate scientists believe we are experiencing climate change. But you believe in whatever fantasies you want. I trust science and facts.

I retort:

John Wait you say:

" the last six years have been the 6 hottest years in recorded history. "

Hottest if you disregard the other previously hotter years. NOAA and NASA have both been caught "smoothing" the data to make previous temperature records fall.
https://climatechangedispatch.com/how-noaa-nasa-doctored-the-temperature-data-sets/

 It's a dirty trick and one that they wouldn't need to do if science were really on their side.

And it's not really true; the '30's we are least as warm. They are using a fraction of a degree and fudging it. You either are too dim to grasp that or dishonest. The fact is all of this is merely an argument going back to 1979, I might add, when satellite data started being kept.

We have no way of knowing the planet's temperature except in the roughest way. We do not measure the surface temperature at every point on Earth. Surface data is taken from specific sites, sites which have often been swallowed by cities and warmed by urban heat sinks or eliminated and estimated. Any honest scientist would admit that.

The '30's were the warmest. See https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/01/15/1930s-was-by-far-the-hottest-decade-in-the-us/ and https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/08/dear-noaa-and-seth-which-1930s-were-you-referring-to-when-you-say-july-is-the-record-warmest/

You say;

"Last year was the most active for hurricanes in known history"

Prove that, I dare you! Just because you say it is so does not make it so.

You are quick on opinion but rarely provide evidence to back it up.

I quote from this Manhattan Institute article on the subject:
https://www.manhattan-institute.org/hurricane-season-historical-context

"Looking at the historical data, one does not find a startling increase in hurricane activity in recent decades, and only modest evidence to suggest that hurricanes in the Atlantic basin are increasing either in number or severity."

The article provides the data from the National Hurricane Center showing that what you said is total bullshit.

Hurricane activity was quite low in the late 20th century and is only returning to normal now. No doubt whatever propaganda you read started with 1980 as it's baseline to fool gullible people.

Here https://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Landsea/deadly/Table4.htm is a table of major hurricanes throughout the last century. As you can see there is no discernible pattern to strength or frquency. Here https://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Landsea/deadly/Table2.htm is another table showing deadliness. Here is the source. https://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Landsea/deadly/index.html

As for wildfires, perhaps you missed it, but climate change presupposes a WETTER world since more water is evaporated into the atmosphere, not a dryer. By the very basics of the theory there should logically be fewer fires, not more. I have already explained to you that most of the fires are a result of mismanagement due to modern environmentalist thinking; they refuse to cull the forests or clean them out on the theory that "natural" is better. Well, it is "natural" to have forests culled by wildfires. I guess you are incapable of grasping that simple fact. You just ignored everything I said in my previous post.

Even the terribly alarmist NPR admits there are multiple reasons for the spate of wildfires of late that have nothing to do with climate change. https://www.npr.org/2020/09/16/913465601/climate-change-is-not-the-only-reason-for-record-wildfires

There are not greater wildfires. In fact they were worse. https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2014/10/04/wildfires-were-much-worse-in-the-past/

It must also be pointed out that numerous people in Australia and Brazil and even California were arrested in the last few years SETTING fires. They were radical environmentalists and wanted to fool gullible people into blaming it on "climate change" when in fact it was political terrorism.

None of that seems to percolate through your noggin.

I have already pointed out to you that the icecap in Antarctica is growing, not shrinking. https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses/?fbclid=IwAR1SfUAHc5RhQlxBO8qJMC6nfAnifkDbNzMGJ40jkSgbLmy3gBPY-_tgspc#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20new%20analysis%20of%20satellite%20data%2C,of%20ice%20per%20year%20between%202003%20and%202008You dismiss this with a wave of the hand "begone!"

I have already denunked your idiotic 97% claim yet you simply ignore all the evidence. If it were true why are we having this discussion at all? The so-called "deniers" would have no scientists to quote, not data to push back with, no evidence. Yet here we are. And I provided you with a long list of scientists who have openly disputed the "consensus." Yet you come back with the same tired talking points over and over. You never debate the points we make. You are, sir, a dishonest cretin. A liar. There is little more that can be said of you at this point. You do not debate when challenged with facts, you stick to your talking points and repeat like a parrot.

The  key to successful propaganda is to repeat simple statements as fact over and over until people accept it as conventional wisdom. That is what you are doing here. This crowd is more savvy than that; stop wasting our time.

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