June 17, 2022

The Problem with EV's

Dennis O'Brien

So why don’t we drive them my dears?
These automobiles with no gears.
For speed they’re a match,
But there is a catch:
The problem, you see, is amperes.

Saw 2 Teslas on a trip to Brisbane and back, and I actually saw one on charge at my local Coles, which appears to be putting in more charging points — all is rosy on the EV front?

Well no, not really — see, despite what the snake-oil salesmen say, (and whisper in politicians’ ears) there are lots of problems with electric cars, otherwise we would all be driving one and would have been driving them for generations. The technology at its heart is nearly as old as the internal combustion engine but the problems have been there from the start.

I’ll only concentrate on the number one problem, which I have mentioned here before — charging times. Australia is a land of vast distances and many of us drive these distances, quite often completing the trip without an over-night stop but requiring a refuelling stop or 2 along the way. Time is often a constraint. Now I can "recharge” my petrol-powered car with a full tank of fuel in about 2 minutes, tank filled and payed for, and be on my way — 600 kms or more.

Were it a Tesla I could only safely run down the battery to around 30% and then charge it to around 90% (this by the way is the true range — only about 60 to 70 percent of the battery rating, perhaps only 400 kms or so; but that takes an over-night charge or an hour or so for a fast charge (not something you want to do to your $10,000+ battery too often as it will shorten its life). Clearly the Tesla is not suited to long-range travel.

The last time I looked, the Tesla battery (depending on the model) had a battery pack rated at around 250 kilowatt hours, so to go from 30% charge to 90% will require the injection of 150 kw hours of electrical energy (ignoring what will be considerable losses in the charging circuitry and battery). To give the layman (or laywoman) some idea of how much energy that is, how much it is sucking out of the already overloaded grid, imagine 150 single bar heaters all glowing red-hot for an hour. That’s how much mainly coal and gas fired electricity is getting pumped into that battery. But let’s just say for argument’s sake that the fast-charger can do this in an hour:
At 400 volts DC (voltage applied at the battery, and again round figures, don’t get nit-picky), the charger will deliver (I’ll average the current out as it will in reality not be a linear curve but will be considerably higher early in the charge cycle gradually decreasing as the battery becomes charged) 375 amps for the full hour — that’s why that charging cable is so thick! Power (in watts) is current multiplied by voltage, and this formula cannot be violated, it is set in stone, or if you like, Lithium.

By the way, a simple calculation shows that to charge the battery fully from flat to 250 kw hours capacity in 2 minutes as I can my car, and were it possible, it would require 18,750 amps of current for that 2 minutes — I haven’t calculated the cable size needed but the heat losses alone would melt everything, including the pole transformer and the operator.

So I hear the cries "But battery technology will make advances!” — makes no difference. We are stuck with Nature’s basic electrical laws — someone tell Albo, or (if you can find him) ScoMo.

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1 We charged our submarine batteries, 400 volts DC, at about 3000 amps usually. Power was transmitted through copper bus bars 3" x 6" and they hummed rather alarmingly and ran rather hot.

Posted by: Bill H at June 17, 2022 11:57 PM (Q7br2)

2 Thanks Bill; interesting point that. I wouldn't feel very comfortable with my batteries hot and humming!  But then I wouldn't do well in the submarine corps either. You guys are a rare breed!

Bill, you may know; I want to run a battery-operated light (which is underpowered - uses just three AA batteries) with a stronger battery, either some D cells or perhaps even a nine or twelve volt battery. Is that possible? I have some of those atomic beam lanterns, which are great for one day, then they die. I'd like to rig them up so they run at full for longer than that. They're great at my cabin but I don't want to keep changing the batteries.

Any ideas?

Posted by: Timothy Birdnow at June 18, 2022 08:33 AM (VL0uY)

3 Sure, DC is really easy to work with. You can just attach some wires to the terminals that the batteries touch in the lantern, and connect them to any battery pack you like.

The only problem is figuring out how those three AA cells are connected. They generate 1.5V each, so if they are in parallel the lamp is a 1.5V lamp and the cells are boosting current. If they are in series, then the lamp is a 4.5V lamp and current available is the same as a single cell. Usually, but not always, if they all have the plus at the same end in the case then they are in parallel.

If the batteries are in parallel, you can just use the contacts for one battery for your connections. If they are in series, you will need to use the plus connection for the first battery and the minus connection for the last one. You won’t need, in either case, to put any jumpers to other battery terminals insude the lamp.

If you are using a higher voltage than the lamp is designed for, the light will be brighter and the bulb will burn out sooner. You can fix that by putting a resistor in one of the wires between the battery pack and the lantern. You’ll have to experiment with the amount of resistance, and you can even just use another bulb to serve that purpose and it will give you more light.

With some devices polarity would matter, but a light bulb isn’t going to care.

Posted by: Bill H at June 18, 2022 09:01 AM (Q7br2)

4 Oh, and rare breed? There was a saying that if you were sane when you got to the boats, and very few were, you didn't stay that way long.

Posted by: Bill H at June 18, 2022 09:04 AM (Q7br2)

5 Thank YOU Bill! That was the simplest explanation I've seen! I asked a few people I knew who were involved with this sort of thing and really didn't understand their explanation that well. You make it seem simple!  I'm going to fiddle with one of those lights to see what I can do.

I think it's wired in series. I'll double check.

Heh!  I can imagine some people lose it on those subs. I would; I have not just a little claustrophobia.

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