May 20, 2020

A Lie Travels Around the World

Timothy Birdnow

Donald Trump said during a press conference that he is taking hydrochloroquine and CNN cut him off mid sentence. That angered a Facebook friend who posted a complaint about it.

One of HER friends came out smoking:

Stacy:

Because everything he says is a lie. I would suggest listening to the Dr.s when it comes to medication. If it worked like he says it does they would be using it. There have been clinical studies that show taking it does not in anyway prevent you from getting the virus. And clinical studies done that show it can do more harm then good. Why would anybody listen to Trump before scientists or researchers that have proven this? Mind boggling.

My friend Linda replied:

IF you where going to die would you take it?

Naturally Stacy shot back:

If a Dr. said it might help. But they have proven it doesn’t. That’s why they cut him off because it’s false information. Just like ingesting disinfectants. If I was dying I wouldn’t try that either. It’s also been proven to do more harm then good.

So it was time for me to intervene:

"Yet another study showWhat evidence do you have that "they" have "proved" it doesn't work, Stacy Rudloff Tinker? Provide your evidence.

In fact, there are studies that suggest it may be effective. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.22.20040758v3

The jury is out on it. But it has hardly been "proven". Your antagonism to this is solely based on the fact you don't like the President.

There is evidence that Remdesivir may be effective. https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/29/gilead-says-critical-study-of-covid-19-drug-shows-patients-are-responding-to-treatment/

I submit this from JAMA https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2766117#skip-to-content "Today CNN posted a headline entitleds hydroxychloroquine doesn't work against Covid-19".

On the contrary, neither study was robust enough to draw definitive conclusions as CNN proposes. It is unfortunate that the authors of neither study make this clear"

And while the tests on hydrochloroque has been unclear. IF you are in mortal peril there is no reason not to take it to save your life.

Also from the comment in Jama "May 12, 2020 Comparing the Incomparable. Olga Goodman, MD | Rheumatology, Internal Medicine, Pediatrics -"Patients receiving hydroxychloroquine with or without azithromycin were overall sicker on presentation." --The were significantly sicker given available information (table 1) and had multiple other risk factors: - Black or Hispanic patients were as likely to receive hydroxychloroquine and/or azithromycin (mortality is significantly higher in these groups) - Patients receiving hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin and hydroxychloroquine alone were more likely to be obese and have diabetes; - Patients receiving hydroxychloroquine alone had the highest levels of chronic lung disease (25.1%) and cardiovascular conditions (36.5%); But after receiving treatment much sicker patients had approximately the same mortality rates vs patients with a milder course of the disease and less risk factors. However, the authors conclude that "there are no significant benefits." Really? No benefits? "

It is not the media's job to choose which people are to be promoted.And it certainly isn't their job to censor the President of the United States.

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1 If you look up side effects for hydroxychloroquine on Google not one of the references mentions heart problems. Not one. The reason is that heart problems are extremely rare and occur only when an existing arrythmia exists, in which case hydroxychloroquine can trigger it. A fully healthy heart is unaffected. The media makes it sound like total heart failure is common. It absolutely is not.

Posted by: Bill H at May 20, 2020 03:20 PM (vMiSr)

2 The full quote as rendered in the King James Bible, "ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free mysubwaycard," is inscribed on the main building of the University of Texas. A famous variant is attributed to Gloria Steinem: "The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off."

Posted by: MySubwayCard at May 20, 2020 09:36 PM (msMdd)

3 Well, well, Subway Card. I have to tip my hat to you. A good rejoinder indeed, and a good Gloria Steinem line (and such aren't easy to come by.)

Posted by: Dana Mathewson at May 22, 2020 09:25 PM (mrRJc)

4 I agree with Dana; your card is punched, Subway! A fine rejoinder!

Posted by: Timothy Birdnow at May 23, 2020 07:02 AM (At6xD)

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