Timothy Birdnow

I had this discussion on Facebook about vote fraud and voter i.d. and why anyone would oppose it.

Bob Clasen asks:

Would someone explain to me (with facts and logic) why requiring a photo ID to vote is a bad thing?

A sneery little liberal troll named John McCormick asks:

Would someone explain to me why it would be rational for someone to show up at a polling place pretending to be someone else in order to cast one fraudulent ballot and in doing do also commit a felony?

Bob Clasen replies:

John McCormick to swing an election in consort with many like minded conspirators .

John McCormick rants:

This particular kind of fraud is essentially non-existent and always has been.

Mike Mellor replies:

That's called the argumentum ad ignorantium.

John McCormick sneers:

Mike MellorIt’s called the truth. These voter ID laws are really voter suppression laws. It doesn’t matter so much anymore though because people have adjusted. They’ve mostly gone out and gotten the required IDs. Now Republicans are busy passing other laws to make it harder to vote. The escalation continues.

Tim retorts:

John McCormick you say "These voter ID laws are really voter suppression laws." What proof do you have of that? What proof do you have that there is no vote fraud? I've personally seen buses with the same people going to multiple polling places in the city of St. Louis. There damned well IS voter fruad, and a lot of it. The Demcrats control precincts that do it though so they can stop any investigations into vote fraud.How many illegal aliens vote? How many felons? We know your point is invalid Here is an example of how vote fraud was common in St. Louis in the past. https://www.riverfronttimes.com/stlouis/dead-man-voting/Content?oid=2468998 And it continues to this day. There was this woman in Texas sentenced to five years for vote fraud https://www.cbsnews.com/news/crystal-mason-texas-woman-sentenced-to-5-years-for-voter-fraud-speaks-out-on-felon-voting-rights/ and this Ohio woman was caught falsifying voter registration. https://freebeacon.com/issues/ohio-woman-sent-jail-voter-registration-fraud/ What of this poll worker in Cincinatti? https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cincinnati-poll-worker-sentenced-to-5-years-for-voter-fraud-in-presidential-elections There is vote fraud and plenty of it. Why do it? Because they usually do not get caught and if they do they get a slap on the writst and if THAT fails they get out early or pardoned and are set up by the DNC for life. The question is not why would they do it but why wouldn't they.

Why do Democrats support gun registration but not voter registration? Gun ownership is one of the enumerated rights in the Constitution. Voting is not. But you guys want unrestricted voting without even having to prove you are a legal citizen or registered to vote, while at the same time demand people who buy firearms be treated like terrorists. Your hypocrisy is astounding.

John McCormick replies:

Timothy BirdnowWhat you’ve compiled is a list of very rare cases. So rare they make the news. "How many illegal aliens vote? How many felons?” you ask. You tell me. Aside from a stray case, I see no evidence at all that this type of fraud exists, and these restrictions being passed make it harder and harder for decent, law-abiding citizens to vote.

I reply:

No John McCormick; what I have compiled is the tip of a very large and corrupt iceberg. We know for a fact that vote fraud probably put Kennedy over the top in the election of 1960. We have ample evidence of vote fraud, despite an entire party and the new media desperately trying to cover the fact up. Asking someone to prove they are who they say they are is in no way a burden whatsoever and I don't believe you think so either. We have to provide i.d. to rent a movie for crying out loud! Yes, there illegal votes; a study done in 20016 by researchers at Old Dominion suggested as many as 2.8 million illegal votes were cast in 2008 and 2010. https://cblwomen.org/how-many-illegals-vote/ and there were as many as 7.9 million non-citizens registered to vote and anywhere between over half a million and 5,7 million illegally voted for Obama. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/19/noncitizen-illegal-vote-number-higher-than-estimat/ Not a problem? We have a huge problem. And who do you think benefitted from it? BTW Why do liberal Democrats support firearms registration and not voter registration? Firearms are enshrined in the Bill of Rights. Voting "rights" are not because they aren't a right. It's because you guys want to steal elections with impunity, that's why.

Oh, and I see you weren't able to provide evidence to buttress your claims; just stick with the same unsupported assertions.

Bob Clasen adds:

Why would people oppose Voter ID? To make it more difficult to prove fraud. If nobody checks your ID, how does anyone know who actually voted? Why would they oppose checking signatures on mail in ballots? To make it more difficult to prove fraud. Why do they like voting machines connected to the internet? I notice that all these new methods of voting neither speed up the counting or increase the confidence in the count. Then, when they have erased the evidence, they demand that you "prove” the existence of voter fraud. In criminal law, you are not allowed to destroy all the evidence to escape guilt.

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