November 18, 2019
I generally agree with Spengler aka David Goldman. He's a brilliant man. But I think he's confused in this essay, or at least thinks too highly of the Chinese.
From the article:
In that respect Kissinger is right. We don’t want a war with China. And an all-out trade war would devastate the world economy. But that’s not the choice. Steve Bannon et al. have moved to the political fringe. We're at no danger of war with China.
He's oversimplifying the arguments, and he's overplaying China's abilities, in my view.
First, I don't know about Steve Bannon, but I think we can and should knock China down a few pegs because if wwe do not they we will have China carving us up like the Christmas goose. I mean that literally; China will eventually challenge us, and they will eventually try to dismantle America. It's what Communists do. Green seems to think China is just another nation. He's been seduced by the prosperity theory, something even New Gingrich has dismissed at this point. China does not care about the prosperity of her people. In fact, the Chinese People see little of it; most of it is in the hands of connected individuals. In fact, the Chinese worker is not gettting any of this bounty. Oh, they aren't starving anymore, but they aren't prospering, either.
It should be pointed out that the most dangerous time for any despot is when the economy is booming but the citizenry are not getting any. Modest reform is dangerous. Revolutions do not happen in societies that are dirt poor; rather, they happen when a society is on the rise. The People have rising expectations, and if those are not met - and real reform does not happen - then talk of treason is in the air.
Also, China is becoming more despotic, if anything. Consider the social credit system.
I also disagree with Mr. Green in that I believe China's great success and wealthy is in no small part a function of Western and especially American surrender to cheap goods. China builds cheap stuff. America quit making anything under the internationalist visions of Clinton, Bush, and Obama. They have lots of money because we all stopped building and bought Chinese. But therte are other rising economic powers, like India, and there is no reason we cannot return to a manufacturing economy. Oh, and then there is a rising industrial base in Latin America.
I don't think it would be easy, but I do think China is in real trouble, and it should be. The Chinese military and other insiders have set themselves the task of displacing us, not competing with us. They are planning for war with us, they steal our science and technology, they subvert our political system.
Now I don't deny they have every RIGHT to do this, but we have every RIGHT to do it righ back to them. I want to see the Communists destabilized. The more internal trouble they have the less danger they pose to us.
I'd love to restore the Nationalists in Taiwan to power, but I'm old fashioned.
At any rate, I think Spengler is wrong here. Too many Western elites seem to believe this "inevitability" argument.
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Posted by: Bill H at November 19, 2019 09:12 AM (vMiSr)
And we HAVE been coddling them for a long time. We've given them sweetheart deals, let them get away with currency manipulation. Let them use tariffs against us. Let them steal our technology and spy on us. It's a simple matter of getting tough on them with this. Both parties refused to do that because they all wanted to make money off China. Trump is the only guy who thinks we need to rein them in.
They are Communists and consider us their enemy. I don't know about you, but I don't believe in empowering my enemy.
Posted by: Timothy Birdnow at November 19, 2019 10:53 AM (RRum6)
I have a long-in-the-tooth Dell computer on my desk -- says "Assembled in Mexico (OK, that's not Asia)." Same for my wife's Dell too. My Fostex Digital Recorder was made in China. There's no indication of the country of origin that I can find on my Canon inkjet printer or our Canon all-in-one laser, but odds are it's Asia. Our Panasonic cordless phone set was made in -- well, whattya-know, Mexico again. I'm not going to try to move my computer monitor, it's too cumbersome, but it's an Acer, and that stuff is made in Asia. This stuff was all bought pre-Trump.
And so it goes. I think the only things in the office made in America are my wife and me. And she's out of the office now, so the dog's not here.
By the way, my friend had no answer.
Posted by: Dana Mathewson at November 21, 2019 10:26 AM (jDPtg)
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